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Fat? Stop drinking diet soda

I always suspected something like this and it makes me glad that I never started drinking diet soda in the first place. Being on a diet has been rather easy for me, and I wonder if this is part of the reason.

Diet Soda: The Brain Knows Better

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The assumption, however, is that it then leads people to consume more sweets... which is not my experience at all...

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You misunderstood my comment, which is no surprise from your attitude. I said specifically that MY experience -- my personal experience -- is that it doesn't work that way. I'm mongo fatto, I drink diet soda, and I eat about 10% of the sweets that my lean partner does. So the correlation is ill-expressed as being redirected to other sweets. Or I'm a fat fucking outlier. Either way, my statement is true: that increased intake of sweets in not MY experience, so who cares about statistics?

(As pointed out in a subsequent comment: the likelihood of an insulin mechanism being in play rather than a brain function is much more realistic. It's much more likely, then, to influence total caloric intake as well as specifically non-sweet carbs, which are the issues for me.)

Edited at 2009-08-25 05:42 pm (UTC)

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The paper talked about rats, and the study in humans referred to was on 12 women, and just because our brains aren't fooled doesn't mean that there isn't a constant battle of wills with ourselves, "hey, I had a piece of cake already, I'm not going to have another one!" There's biological craving, which I can believe is caused by diet soda, but then there's psychological craving -- ie, you see a commercial for ice cream and then are "craving" it.

Most people gain weight because they eat in more calories than their body needs.

I learned a LONG time ago that my own body's gauge is severely broken, and if I give into eating when I'm hungry, I gain weight (even if I eat about 300-400 calories at mealtime, and wait 20 minutes to see if I'm still hungry -- drink water, eat 100-200 calories if it's a snack, then wait 10 minutes to see if I'm still hungry).

Also, it has been proven that Splenda actually does NOT increase blood glucose levels *nor* insulin levels (I was told this by my sister-in-law who is a nutritionist, she was explaining this because my father is a diabetic. Google search for "splenda diabetics", I found http://www.splendaexposed.com/articles/2005/02/sugarfree_with.html which gives an interesting look into the complexity of "is it safe for all diabetics".)

And he's right -- the article is ASSUMING that the biological increased craving for sweets leads people to eat more sweets. Your comment is also true -- "most people are gaining weight due to eating highly processed foods" but what does that actually have to do with the study ? Nothing.


My money is on the sweet receptors in the gut promoting excessive insulin release rather than a brain-based mechanism, but, yeah, it seems like artificial sweeteners are somewhat counterproductive. Honestly, I think the hard truth is that humans just aren't meant to be drinking liquid calories (or faux calories) all the damn time.

Interestingly, out of all the artificial sweeteners, sucralose (in Splenda) is the one that *doesn't* actually cause elevated insulin levels.

Even if that is the case, realistically how many products are formulated with sucralose without acesulfame K? Not too many, I suspect.

Well, the actual Splenda itself isn't. So your comment is valid for diet sodas, but not in general -- I was responding to your "it seems like artificial sweeteners are somewhat counterproductive". That's very generic, and I was addressing that.

If people only ever added sweeteners to foods themselves at home -- even if real sugar was used exclusively -- I doubt we'd have much of a problem.

Fat != trying to lose weight

Also, if one is trying to lose weight, drinking any kind of soda (diet or otherwise) on a regular basis is a bad idea.

What slinkr said. You should know better, Tom.

My intent was to imply that this might explain the weight gain, not direct people on how to lose weight.

I am growing more and more concerned that America is getting unhealthily fat. I know that fat != unhealthy. However, unhealthily fat is unhealthy. I'm seeing a lot more people that are at unhealthy weight than I did just 10 years ago.

Read your second paragraph. In the first sentence you say you don't believe that fat = unhealthy. Then in the next, you say that there's such a thing as "unhealthy weight".

You sound very mixed up about this.

I don't believe that fat automatically implies unhealthy.

I do, however, feel that there are unhealthy weights.

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